Thanks for honoring me with such remarkable insights.
Regarding the ice-age, I am sure it began with the flood (Nov/Dec, Arctic polar night), and built up fast due to the high humidity and increased temperature gradients, Antarctica following). The massive burial of megafauna in the Arctic indicates a catastrophic drop of temperature.
I made a mistake above when I wrote 5000 b.c. for the African Humid Period. I wanted to write: b.p. (before presence). So that would mean: after the flood.
I am not sure if additional (cosmic) events are necessary to explain the end-of-ice-age phenomena, like the rapid melting. Vulcanic ashes with decreased albedo on the vast ice-shields could account for their melting so fast.
The western Sahara (Mauretanian Desert) shows signs of extreme water erosion, even the Atlantic Ocean off the coast treme dous amounts of sediments from that event, thousands of cubic miles of material. (I am fully convinced the Richat Structure had been chosen for habitation of that former preflood civilisation, as Plato relate's Solon's account by a priest/ sage from Sais in Egypt.
The similarities can not be coincidental. Even the sizes of the rings match, and the description of thus place surrounded by lakes and streams of water (before the flood).
I am curious and am going to watch and listen to the material you provided and shared.
I know. You told me. I lived in southern Illinois for a year. Across the big river. Later twice for some time in New York, in the 90ies, and 00es.
I hear Randall. Regarding the Richat he is unconvincing, and wrong, too. The size of the area (and its geological and climatic history) and number of rings match quite perfectly with the tradition Plato relates. The entire earth was covered in water and ice, and some parts were even razed by the fast moving water and rock debris. (That's why there is nothing left. It all got washed into the then spreading Atlantic Ocean.) I think the pressures from water and ice would have sufficed to cause cracks in the primordial (singular!) earth/landmass and catastrophic movements of the plates. Especially the rapidly forming northern hemispheric ice-shields caused severe disbalance for the stability of the oceanic and parting⁷ continental crusts.
Do you have a hypothesis on the primordial formation of land (singular) in the midst of the waters (all plural: around, below, above)? When the sea and waters were mostly not nearly as deep as today, it is perhaps not even necessary to assume no land would ever show up, and the inner thermic and rotational movements of the core and mantle may alone cause substantial divergences in crust thicknesses and elevations of land- and seafloor.
The sciences of nature and culture could so much benefit from earnestly considering meaning and purpose and sense in our universe. (As the interpretation and translation of Scriptures would, when trusting God to be intelligent and reasonable and good and righteous and just. They (churches and religions) just say it, but interpret against.)
See https://NewGeology.us regarding how the land separated from the waters. Mike determined that a huge asteroid collided with the Earth and formed the supercontinent Pangaea.
Thanks Len for pointing this out. These submerged islands between the Azores were inundated with the rising seawater (~400 ft) after the ice-age (like Doggerland beneath the North Sea and some of these other areas you mention). These structuress then were built after the flood, like the Egyptian and the many other pyramids and ziggurats on the earth.
If we are looking for traces of an antediluvian civilisation, the Richat Structure which is a peculiar geological formation in the Mauretanian Desert of the wrstern Sahara shows numerous astounding similarities with Plato's accounts. He was speaking of a very large land with rivers and lakes and a capital resembling this Eye of the Sahara to a degree difficult to ignore. Before the flood the gegraphy of our planet was very different from what it is now (regarding its relation to the Pillars of Hercules) . Plato also does not say the land remained submerged but unreachable due to swamps and marches. (During the African Humid Period -~5000 years b.c. much of the Sahara was green and with extensive lakes and bodies of water, e.g. the Tamanrasset River.) Africa and the other continents (except for Zealandia) rose substantially in elevation due to the changes in pressure caused by the flood and ice-age. (The oceanic crusts are a lot thinner than the continental ones. Psalm 104 may have a memory of that. The Genesis description most likely refers to the land where Eden was in terms of the geography after the flood, the four rivers coming together (the two from Anatolia (Euphrates, Tigris), one from Persia (Gihon i.e. Karkheh), the other from Arabia (Wadi Ruma i.e. Pishon) when it was still green like the former Sahara.)
- C14 dating of dinosaur fossils strongly suggests that they lived a mere few thousand years ago.
- Sedimentary rock strata strongly indicate rapid deposition, showing a Great Flood that drowned the dinosaurs.
- The Ice Age occurred on top of the Flood strata.
- The Younger Dryas impacts occurred on top of the Ice Sheets, which they rapidly melted, causing more flooding.
- Atlantis and other lost cities must have existed before the Younger Dryas.
- Historical ancient civilizations (Egypt, Sumer etc) were likely built after the Younger Dryas.
- Ancient cave paintings and Gobekli Tepe and company may have begun before the Younger Dryas, if they were in locations that Younger Dryas flooding didn't reach. Or Gobekli Tepe may have been buried by the Younger Dryas meltwater flooding, instead of by humans.
- AI says, "About 13,000 years ago, a landslide blocked the Altamira cave entrance, isolating the paintings from humans and protecting them, but water seeped through the cave ceiling over millennia, washing away some pigments and causing irreversible damage." Since mainstream dating is off, that landslide likely occurred during the Younger Dryas cataclysms.
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So the Ice Age occurred shortly after Noah's Flood and lasted only a few hundred years building up extensive Ice Sheets, then the Younger Dryas impacts rapidly melted the Ice Sheets, causing more flooding in many places. So there were 2 floods. The Richat feature in the western Sahara is a natural geologic dome that the top eroded away from. The dome likely formed during Noah's Flood during sedimentary rock strata deposition. Then the dome was eroded by the Younger Dryas floods or tsunamis. The tsunamis were caused by impacts in the Mediterranean Sea.
The rivers that existed before Noah's Flood would have been completely buried by the Flood sediments. The minimum thickness of sedimentary rock in northeast Africa and southwest Asia area is 500 meters and the maximum is many km thick. The continents were all together before Noah's Flood. And they were all lowland. A very large asteroid hit the landmass and caused the continents to move apart rapidly and mountains formed in the process. See https://NewGeology.us.
It is not necessary to separate the flood from the beginning of the formation of the northern hemispheric ice-shields. (27th day of the 2nd month was Nov/Dec during the Arctic polar night, leading to a rapid cooling with snow and ice and instant freezing of the northern megafaunic animal life as being reported from finds in Alaska, Canada, and Siberia.)
I have most of my posts organized into an ebook at https://zzzzzzz.substack.com/p/cataclysmic-earth-history. Michael Oard is a creation scientist who seems to have figured out the Ice Age after Noah's Flood best. My post in the ebook on the Ice Age is mostly from him. He said the oceans stayed warm after the Flood for over a century while the ice sheets gradually built up, starting on mountain chains. So the Ice Age mammals lived well on the northern plains for a long time and reproduced to become populous. As the ice sheets built up, sea levels went down, exposing more of the continental shelves in the Arctic, where the mammals could extend their grazing, as the warm oceans kept the Arctic climate warm most of the year. This map shows the maximum extent of the northern ice sheet: https://www.climate.gov/media/11951. It looks like the north pole may have been between Greenland and Canada, if it was near the center of the ice sheet. If so, the Younger Dryas impacts may have helped move the pole to its present location.
The stratospheric water above the sky had been vapor. In the northern hemisphere it became ice. That caused massive burial and extinction of megafauna.
Thanks for honoring me with such remarkable insights.
Regarding the ice-age, I am sure it began with the flood (Nov/Dec, Arctic polar night), and built up fast due to the high humidity and increased temperature gradients, Antarctica following). The massive burial of megafauna in the Arctic indicates a catastrophic drop of temperature.
I made a mistake above when I wrote 5000 b.c. for the African Humid Period. I wanted to write: b.p. (before presence). So that would mean: after the flood.
I am not sure if additional (cosmic) events are necessary to explain the end-of-ice-age phenomena, like the rapid melting. Vulcanic ashes with decreased albedo on the vast ice-shields could account for their melting so fast.
The western Sahara (Mauretanian Desert) shows signs of extreme water erosion, even the Atlantic Ocean off the coast treme dous amounts of sediments from that event, thousands of cubic miles of material. (I am fully convinced the Richat Structure had been chosen for habitation of that former preflood civilisation, as Plato relate's Solon's account by a priest/ sage from Sais in Egypt.
The similarities can not be coincidental. Even the sizes of the rings match, and the description of thus place surrounded by lakes and streams of water (before the flood).
I am curious and am going to watch and listen to the material you provided and shared.
Ditto, Hans. Are you in Europe? Most of my ancestry is Deutsch.
I have some ebooks at https://zzzzzzz.substack.com/p/lens-books. One's Catclysmic Earth History. Another is Myths Are Earth History.
Randall Carlson explained the Richat structure formation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtGfTanyMYs
He showed the size of Atlantis next to the much larger Richat structure at the end of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtydLmdfV8
He showed evidence of flooding of the Sahara here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmN86eop-8g1
I know. You told me. I lived in southern Illinois for a year. Across the big river. Later twice for some time in New York, in the 90ies, and 00es.
I hear Randall. Regarding the Richat he is unconvincing, and wrong, too. The size of the area (and its geological and climatic history) and number of rings match quite perfectly with the tradition Plato relates. The entire earth was covered in water and ice, and some parts were even razed by the fast moving water and rock debris. (That's why there is nothing left. It all got washed into the then spreading Atlantic Ocean.) I think the pressures from water and ice would have sufficed to cause cracks in the primordial (singular!) earth/landmass and catastrophic movements of the plates. Especially the rapidly forming northern hemispheric ice-shields caused severe disbalance for the stability of the oceanic and parting⁷ continental crusts.
Do you have a hypothesis on the primordial formation of land (singular) in the midst of the waters (all plural: around, below, above)? When the sea and waters were mostly not nearly as deep as today, it is perhaps not even necessary to assume no land would ever show up, and the inner thermic and rotational movements of the core and mantle may alone cause substantial divergences in crust thicknesses and elevations of land- and seafloor.
The sciences of nature and culture could so much benefit from earnestly considering meaning and purpose and sense in our universe. (As the interpretation and translation of Scriptures would, when trusting God to be intelligent and reasonable and good and righteous and just. They (churches and religions) just say it, but interpret against.)
See https://NewGeology.us regarding how the land separated from the waters. Mike determined that a huge asteroid collided with the Earth and formed the supercontinent Pangaea.
Have a look (at 5:00 min) into this by Randall:
See the enormous water erosion across the surface towards the Atlantic Ocean.
https://youtu.be/LOtydLmdfV8?si=2724v2qod4abswUP
Thanks Len for pointing this out. These submerged islands between the Azores were inundated with the rising seawater (~400 ft) after the ice-age (like Doggerland beneath the North Sea and some of these other areas you mention). These structuress then were built after the flood, like the Egyptian and the many other pyramids and ziggurats on the earth.
If we are looking for traces of an antediluvian civilisation, the Richat Structure which is a peculiar geological formation in the Mauretanian Desert of the wrstern Sahara shows numerous astounding similarities with Plato's accounts. He was speaking of a very large land with rivers and lakes and a capital resembling this Eye of the Sahara to a degree difficult to ignore. Before the flood the gegraphy of our planet was very different from what it is now (regarding its relation to the Pillars of Hercules) . Plato also does not say the land remained submerged but unreachable due to swamps and marches. (During the African Humid Period -~5000 years b.c. much of the Sahara was green and with extensive lakes and bodies of water, e.g. the Tamanrasset River.) Africa and the other continents (except for Zealandia) rose substantially in elevation due to the changes in pressure caused by the flood and ice-age. (The oceanic crusts are a lot thinner than the continental ones. Psalm 104 may have a memory of that. The Genesis description most likely refers to the land where Eden was in terms of the geography after the flood, the four rivers coming together (the two from Anatolia (Euphrates, Tigris), one from Persia (Gihon i.e. Karkheh), the other from Arabia (Wadi Ruma i.e. Pishon) when it was still green like the former Sahara.)
Hi Hans. Thanks for discussion. I found that the Great Flood, or Noah's Flood, occurred about 3,200 BC, with help from the Septuagint Bible. Yesterday, I wrote a short summary of my timeline at https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=11934&sid=fb01ed4d7b2d8b882f831dc554ea6cc6#p11934. Here's what I said.
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- C14 dating of dinosaur fossils strongly suggests that they lived a mere few thousand years ago.
- Sedimentary rock strata strongly indicate rapid deposition, showing a Great Flood that drowned the dinosaurs.
- The Ice Age occurred on top of the Flood strata.
- The Younger Dryas impacts occurred on top of the Ice Sheets, which they rapidly melted, causing more flooding.
- Atlantis and other lost cities must have existed before the Younger Dryas.
- Historical ancient civilizations (Egypt, Sumer etc) were likely built after the Younger Dryas.
- Ancient cave paintings and Gobekli Tepe and company may have begun before the Younger Dryas, if they were in locations that Younger Dryas flooding didn't reach. Or Gobekli Tepe may have been buried by the Younger Dryas meltwater flooding, instead of by humans.
- AI says, "About 13,000 years ago, a landslide blocked the Altamira cave entrance, isolating the paintings from humans and protecting them, but water seeped through the cave ceiling over millennia, washing away some pigments and causing irreversible damage." Since mainstream dating is off, that landslide likely occurred during the Younger Dryas cataclysms.
End quote.
So the Ice Age occurred shortly after Noah's Flood and lasted only a few hundred years building up extensive Ice Sheets, then the Younger Dryas impacts rapidly melted the Ice Sheets, causing more flooding in many places. So there were 2 floods. The Richat feature in the western Sahara is a natural geologic dome that the top eroded away from. The dome likely formed during Noah's Flood during sedimentary rock strata deposition. Then the dome was eroded by the Younger Dryas floods or tsunamis. The tsunamis were caused by impacts in the Mediterranean Sea.
The rivers that existed before Noah's Flood would have been completely buried by the Flood sediments. The minimum thickness of sedimentary rock in northeast Africa and southwest Asia area is 500 meters and the maximum is many km thick. The continents were all together before Noah's Flood. And they were all lowland. A very large asteroid hit the landmass and caused the continents to move apart rapidly and mountains formed in the process. See https://NewGeology.us.
Thank you. There is much to consider.
It is not necessary to separate the flood from the beginning of the formation of the northern hemispheric ice-shields. (27th day of the 2nd month was Nov/Dec during the Arctic polar night, leading to a rapid cooling with snow and ice and instant freezing of the northern megafaunic animal life as being reported from finds in Alaska, Canada, and Siberia.)
I have most of my posts organized into an ebook at https://zzzzzzz.substack.com/p/cataclysmic-earth-history. Michael Oard is a creation scientist who seems to have figured out the Ice Age after Noah's Flood best. My post in the ebook on the Ice Age is mostly from him. He said the oceans stayed warm after the Flood for over a century while the ice sheets gradually built up, starting on mountain chains. So the Ice Age mammals lived well on the northern plains for a long time and reproduced to become populous. As the ice sheets built up, sea levels went down, exposing more of the continental shelves in the Arctic, where the mammals could extend their grazing, as the warm oceans kept the Arctic climate warm most of the year. This map shows the maximum extent of the northern ice sheet: https://www.climate.gov/media/11951. It looks like the north pole may have been between Greenland and Canada, if it was near the center of the ice sheet. If so, the Younger Dryas impacts may have helped move the pole to its present location.
The stratospheric water above the sky had been vapor. In the northern hemisphere it became ice. That caused massive burial and extinction of megafauna.
I believe Michael Oard's theory is best regarding the Ice Age.
The ice-age began with the flood, not after it.
Wadi ar-Rumma is the modern name of the ancient riverbed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_al-Rummah