In Antiquity the original Mountains of Ararat were of Urartu (Aratta) south-west of Lake Van, the Mountains of Qurdii (Gordya as of Flavius Josephus,Judi as of Quran), modern Mt. Cudi in south-east Anatolya.
The tradition went from the South with the movement of the Armenians to the North to which was originally Mount Masi and renamed in the middle ages.
Thamanin was believed to be the first settlement established after the Great Flood, built by Noah and the flood survivors at the southern foot of Mount Judi (also called Cudi Dağı in Turkish, Al-Jūdiyy in Arabic) (Wikipedia) . This tradition dates back to at least 697 BCE in written records.
The Name's Meaning
The name "Thamanin" comes from the Arabic word for "eighty," referring to the traditional number of people believed to have survived the flood in Islamic tradition (Wikipedia) . Christian sources typically cited eight survivors, while Islamic sources mentioned eighty.
Geographic Location
The ancient sources place Thamanin in the region you described:
South of Mount Judi, in the Gordyaean Mountains (variants include Gordyean/Gordi/Jordi), in what was considered part of Kurdistan, east of the Tigris River (Wikipedia)
The area overlooked the country of Diyar Rabia, near the cities of Mosul, Forda, and Jazirat Ibn Omar (Wikipedia)
Modern Mount Cudi is located in southeastern Turkey near the Syrian and Iraqi borders
Historical Significance
The site held sacred status across multiple religious traditions. Historical accounts describe thousands of years of pilgrimages to Mount Cudi, where people ascended to dig up pieces of tar-covered wood believed to be from Noah's Ark (Sccompton) . The city appears in Christian, Islamic, and Jewish geographical and historical accounts through Late Antiquity and the medieval period, though by around 1300 CE only ruins remained.
The Aramaic tmanya/tmanei (תמניא/תמני) for "eight" does indeed sound very similar to the Arabic thamanin (ثمانين) for "eighty."
This similarity is not coincidental—they share the same Semitic root. The pattern reveals something important:
The Root Connection
In Semitic languages, the root for "eight" typically involves the consonants th-m-n (ث-م-ن in Arabic, ת-מ-נ in Hebrew/Aramaic). The difference between "eight" and "eighty" in Arabic involves different vowel patterns and suffixes applied to this same root:
Wrong place. Wrong structure.
In Antiquity the original Mountains of Ararat were of Urartu (Aratta) south-west of Lake Van, the Mountains of Qurdii (Gordya as of Flavius Josephus,Judi as of Quran), modern Mt. Cudi in south-east Anatolya.
The tradition went from the South with the movement of the Armenians to the North to which was originally Mount Masi and renamed in the middle ages.
Why not provide references? I've heard of this or some other possible location, but don't have info now. So far, Ron Wyatt's finding above seems best.
Historical and Religious Tradition
Thamanin was believed to be the first settlement established after the Great Flood, built by Noah and the flood survivors at the southern foot of Mount Judi (also called Cudi Dağı in Turkish, Al-Jūdiyy in Arabic) (Wikipedia) . This tradition dates back to at least 697 BCE in written records.
The Name's Meaning
The name "Thamanin" comes from the Arabic word for "eighty," referring to the traditional number of people believed to have survived the flood in Islamic tradition (Wikipedia) . Christian sources typically cited eight survivors, while Islamic sources mentioned eighty.
Geographic Location
The ancient sources place Thamanin in the region you described:
South of Mount Judi, in the Gordyaean Mountains (variants include Gordyean/Gordi/Jordi), in what was considered part of Kurdistan, east of the Tigris River (Wikipedia)
The area overlooked the country of Diyar Rabia, near the cities of Mosul, Forda, and Jazirat Ibn Omar (Wikipedia)
Modern Mount Cudi is located in southeastern Turkey near the Syrian and Iraqi borders
Historical Significance
The site held sacred status across multiple religious traditions. Historical accounts describe thousands of years of pilgrimages to Mount Cudi, where people ascended to dig up pieces of tar-covered wood believed to be from Noah's Ark (Sccompton) . The city appears in Christian, Islamic, and Jewish geographical and historical accounts through Late Antiquity and the medieval period, though by around 1300 CE only ruins remained.
https://www.academia.edu/66370273/Qardo_and_the_Mountain_of_K%C4%93will%C4%81_Noah_s_Ark_and_its_Landing_Place_in_Assyrian_Syriac_Texts_And_Folklore?source=swp_share
The Aramaic tmanya/tmanei (תמניא/תמני) for "eight" does indeed sound very similar to the Arabic thamanin (ثمانين) for "eighty."
This similarity is not coincidental—they share the same Semitic root. The pattern reveals something important:
The Root Connection
In Semitic languages, the root for "eight" typically involves the consonants th-m-n (ث-م-ن in Arabic, ת-מ-נ in Hebrew/Aramaic). The difference between "eight" and "eighty" in Arabic involves different vowel patterns and suffixes applied to this same root:
Thamaniya (ثمانية) = eight (in Arabic)
Thamanin (ثمانين) = eighty (in Arabic)
Thanks.