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Len Kinder's avatar

What the LaRouche organization used to say is that Nicolas organized an important movement that led to the formation of republican governments of, by and for the people as well as to the development of science for the common good. I'm impressed with that. I don't care if anyone isn't impressed or doesn't believe that.

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Hans Stein's avatar

During the arctic winter (begin 27th day, 2nd month, for 40 days stratospheric w

water vapor collapse) these waters precipitated as ice. The humidity (Green Sahara, African Humid Period for a few hundred years!) caused prolonged snowfalls, a few months later towards southern winter commencing in Antarctica, too).

During that period it came to the massive build-up of ice-sheets, then meltwater pulses from breaking glacial lakes through the huge moraines.

Filling up of Mediterranean low-water basin, Black Sea etc.

Missoula-Flood, a.o.

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Hans Stein's avatar

I have come to conclude the Septuagint, Flavius Josephus, the Samaritan Pentateuch (together and using discretion) to be more reliable than the later Masoretic text regarding questions of chronology.

The flood and subsequent (predominantly Northern hemispheric, arctic polar night) ice-age more likely happened towards the end of the 4th millennium b.c. (ca. 5200 b p).

Best regards!

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Len Kinder's avatar

Thanks for discussion.

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Hans Stein's avatar

The ice-age then lasted of course for quite some time. Maybe about down to the days of Peleg, some 500 years or more, using LXX and Flav. Jos. numbers, and early church traditions about chronology).

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Len Kinder's avatar

Michael Oard persuaded me that the Ice Age didn't get very cold till a few centuries after the Great Flood and only lasted till 700 years after that Flood. That would be 2500 BC when the Younger Drays impacts occurred. The Peleg event was likely the Tower of Babel climax when the people separated, IMO, maybe 300 years after the Younger Dryas cataclysm. Oard seems to go with the Masoretic, so that screws up his dating.

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Hans Stein's avatar

Peleg was born around 530 years after the event. I do not know about Nimrod (Enmerkar / Marduk? Narmer?) That tyrant (as many others during that first millennium after the cataclysm) perhaps got three to over four hundred years old.

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I need to think about that. It seems I've been assuming that Peleg came after the Younger Dryas event, but if the Septuagint is right, he came after the Great Flood and before the YD. And if the Tower of Babel was of his time, the Tower also came before the YD, although it seems more probable offhand that it coincided with the YD.

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Hans Stein's avatar

As I understand it, the signs and markers being attributed to the YD are of the ice-age (following the flood), the period of melting and the large floodings from meltwater before the dispersion of the peoples.

The radiocarbon dating gets ever more inaccurate (towards older ages) the closer towards the stratospheric collaps and into the pre-flood/pre-ice-age era). The decay of N¹⁴ into C¹⁴ is very much dependent on the intensity of solar radiation reaching the lower regions of the atmosphere.

H²O as a gas is much lighter than N² and O² and CO² and Ar. (Sorry, I use the small numbers here, too. Not just for isotopes.) That is why there was primordial stratospheric water vapor in the first place. ('The waters above the sky.')

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Hans Stein's avatar

Unfortunately, so many are intimidated and misled by a corrupt text and translation tradition (Vulgate, Luther, KJV,...).

I see you are not.

That's great.

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Len Kinder's avatar

I believe the Bible was likely written imperfectly under angel inspiration.

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Hans Stein's avatar

I am interested. Would you share an example of a word or text you found problematic or said not well enough?

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