MAMMALS EVOLVED DURING FLOOD
They Evolved During Major Cataclysms (the Flood and the Younger Dryas)
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INTRO
On the Thunderbolts.info forum, Nick, our main moderator, reminded me lately that electrical forces likely caused major changes in evolution of species during major ancient cataclysms. In the first figure above, mammals supposedly evolved over millions of years, but only small ones are shown. Since nearly all sedimentary rock was deposited during the Great Flood, those fossils actually formed about the same time. Cretaceous was late in or soon after the Flood. In the second figure, a large number of mammals are shown, both small and large. Instead of evolution having occurred gradually over millions of years, it likely occurred rapidly during the Great Flood and possibly during the Younger Dryas cataclysms. The megafauna (very large mammals) must have evolved late in the Great Flood, since their fossils are found in glacial deposits, as the Ice Age occurred shortly after the Flood. I don’t know of new species arriving after the Younger Dryas. What followed the YD was shrinking of the megafauna, possibly due to increase in gravity.
I’m writing this rather hastily, as I don’t want to overlook this important issue. I prefer to post hard-hitting or smoking-gun evidence, but I’ll go with this for now. If more recent larger mammal fossils were found in Flood-deposited rock strata, I would accept that they lived before the Flood. I have heard of a few human fossils found in Flood strata, in South Carolina and maybe Colorado, if I recall correctly. My working theory is that the Septuagint Bible is largely correct historically. I’m skeptical about many statements in it, but the Flood story seems to be correct. The story of Noah’s life after the Flood seems to have good evidence too, as well as that of Abraham and Moses etc. If humans were the only large mammals that existed before the Flood, that would change the common assumptions about the animals taken aboard Noah’s ark. It would also contradict some of that story, i.e. clean and unclean beasts etc, unless that referred mostly to reptiles, which seems unlikely. There were several kinds of small mammals before the Flood, as shown in the first figure above. If other larger mammals besides humans existed before the Flood, some of their fossils will probably show up eventually, if scientists don’t hide the evidence. But, as it is, I think electrical forces can explain rapid evolution of species during cataclysms that involved a highly electrified environment.
Following is first an AI summary of Electric Universe ideas about rapid evolution. After that are quotes of a couple of sources on the Thunderbolts website that reference one or more experiments that provide good evidence of possible rapid evolution in strong or changing electric fields. I may edit the quoted sources sooner or later.
AI SUMMARY
Thunderbolts.info Claims on Electrical Forces and Evolution
Thunderbolts.info, a site associated with the Electric Universe hypothesis, has discussed the possibility that electrical forces can influence biological processes, including evolution. Here’s a summary of the experiments and claims they reference:
Key Experiments and Claims
Electromagnetically Shielded Bunker Experiment:
Thunderbolts.info describes an experiment in which various indicators of chemical and behavioral health were monitored in an environment shielded from electromagnetic fields. The implication is that the absence or alteration of Earth's natural electric field could affect biological health and potentially evolutionary processes1. However, the specific outcomes or evolutionary changes observed in this experiment are not detailed in the provided summary.Electrostatic Field Experiments and Biological Diversity:
Another article on Thunderbolts.info suggests that experiments with electrostatic fields might illuminate biological diversity, particularly by affecting the internal motion of proteins2. The article posits that electrical fields could influence protein dynamics, which are fundamental to biological function and, by extension, evolution. However, it does not provide details of specific experiments demonstrating evolutionary changes in species due to electrical forces.
Context and Interpretation
General Position:
Thunderbolts.info generally promotes the idea that electrical phenomena play a significant role in natural processes, including biology and evolution. The site references experiments and theoretical considerations suggesting that electric fields can impact biological systems, but it does not cite or describe any direct, peer-reviewed experiments showing that electrical forces have caused evolutionary changes in species1,2.Comparison to Mainstream Science:
The mainstream scientific experiment most similar to these claims is the Miller-Urey experiment, where electric sparks (simulating lightning) were used to synthesize amino acids from simple chemicals, demonstrating a possible pathway for the origin of life6. However, this experiment did not show evolution of species, but rather the creation of life's building blocks.
Conclusion
Thunderbolts.info suggests that electrical forces may influence biological systems and possibly evolution, referencing experiments involving shielded environments and electrostatic fields. However, they do not provide direct experimental evidence showing that electrical forces have caused evolutionary changes in species—only that such forces might affect biological processes that could, in theory, influence evolution1,2.
EVIDENCE #1
(Ionic transport structure in a typical cell membrane. Credit: Geoffrey M. Cooper.)
Experiments with electrostatic fields might illuminate biological diversity.
A major problem in biology is the internal motion of proteins. Researchers from the University of Pennsylvania using Magnetic Resonance Imaging were surprised to discover that the calmodulin protein molecule possesses an internal "jitter" that shakes it billions of times per second. This revelation led them to conclude that it is not merely the complex folded shape of such molecules that affects their function, but their internal movement.
According to Dr. Joshua Wand, “The situation is akin to the discussion in astrophysics in which theoreticians predict that there is dark matter, or energy, that no one has yet seen.”
Where the internal energy necessary for protein binding comes from is unknown at the present time, but it seems likely, based on research with electrostatic fields on various organisms, that there is an electrical component to the source. Cell walls are arranged in a double layer configuration with positive and negative ion channels built-in.
A book called The Primeval Code (Der Urzeit-Code) was recently published in Switzerland, detailing experiments that demonstrate how a changing electric field can alter gametes so much that new species are created.
According to author Luc Bürgin, "In laboratory experiments the researchers there Dr. Guido Ebner and Heinz Schürch exposed cereal seeds and fish eggs to an 'electrostatic field' – in other words, to a high voltage field, in which no current flows. Unexpectedly primeval organisms grew out of these seeds and eggs: a fern that no botanist was able to identify; primeval corn with up to twelve ears per stalk; wheat that was ready to be harvested in just four to six weeks. And giant trout, extinct in Europe for 130 years, with so-called salmon hooks. It was as if these organisms accessed their own genetic memories on command in the electric field, a phenomenon, which the English biochemist, Rupert Sheldrake, for instance believes is possible."
Electric Universe advocates recognize that plasma is a self-organizing phenomenon. Indeed, Irving Langmuir coined the name because he saw that collections of charged particles isolate themselves from their surroundings in ways that are similar to biological systems. A cell membrane could be thought of as a Langmuir plasma sheath, sustaining a voltage difference between the negatively charged interior and the positively charged exterior. Electric currents most likely maintain charge separation across the membrane layers.
Perhaps these observations can all be tied together. Sheldrake's "morphic fields," protein jitter, gamete alteration that leads to speciation, and the electric charges in cells might all be manifestations of plasma's emergent properties. At some time in the past, as these pages have repeatedly emphasized, Earth's electrical properties were substantially altered when other highly charged objects or ionic clouds passed close to our plasmasphere.
Intense electric arcs swept across the surface of the Earth, creating powerful electromagnetic fields that could have transmuted biological organisms in the same way that they changed the atomic structure of elements and minerals. The famous Miller-Urey experiment demonstrated that inorganic compounds exposed to electric currents can be altered to form organic chemicals like amino acids.
Given the report in The Primeval Code, it would not be too great a stretch to think that electric currents might cause proteins to shake at varying rates, thus changing their behavior, or triggering morphic fields to change state, creating new forms of life. Symbiosis, a longtime thorn in the side of evolutionary biology, might find its genesis in electricity.
Stephen Smith
EVIDENCE #2
Bioelectric precursor shapes the face of a frog
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4808
Bioelectric precursor shapes the face of a frog!
post by squiz » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:57 pm
For the first time, Tufts University biologists have reported that bioelectrical signals are necessary for normal head and facial formation in an organism and have captured that process in a time-lapse video that reveals never-before-seen patterns of visible bioelectrical signals outlining where eyes, nose, mouth, and other features will appear in an embryonic tadpole.
Amazing, The electric signal appears to be the organizing factor for the biology, is it determining what cell becomes what? as in morphic fields?
The Tufts biologists found that, before the face of a tadpole develops, bioelectrical signals (ion flux) cause groups of cells to form patterns marked by different membrane voltage and pH levels. When stained with a reporter dye, hyperpolarized (negatively charged) areas shine brightly, while other areas appear darker, creating an "electric face."
"When a frog embryo is just developing, before it gets a face, a pattern for that face lights up on the surface of the embryo,"
See the astonishing video at the link. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-frog-time-lapse-video-reveals-never-before-seen.html
post by squiz » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:50 pm
I've been giving this some thought, no doubt this could cause a rethink in on many levels and support for some existing ideas.
Considering this TPOD.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100630biology.htm
According to author Luc Bürgin, "In laboratory experiments the researchers there Dr. Guido Ebner and Heinz Schürch exposed cereal seeds and fish eggs to an 'electrostatic field' – in other words, to a high voltage field, in which no current flows. Unexpectedly primeval organisms grew out of these seeds and eggs: a fern that no botanist was able to identify; primeval corn with up to twelve ears per stalk; wheat that was ready to be harvested in just four to six weeks. And giant trout, extinct in Europe for 130 years, with so-called salmon hooks. It was as if these organisms accessed their own genetic memories on command in the electric field, a phenomenon, which the English biochemist, Rupert Sheldrake, for instance believes is possible."
Perhaps these observations can all be tied together. Sheldrake's "morphic fields," protein jitter, gamete alteration that leads to speciation, and the electric charges in cells might all be manifestations of plasma's emergent properties. At some time in the past, as these pages have repeatedly emphasized, Earth's electrical properties were substantially altered when other highly charged objects or ionic clouds passed close to our plasmasphere.
Intense electric arcs swept across the surface of the Earth, creating powerful electromagnetic fields that could have transmuted biological organisms in the same way that they changed the atomic structure of elements and minerals. The famous Miller-Urey experiment demonstrated that inorganic compounds exposed to electric currents can be altered to form organic chemicals like amino acids.
I see where Stephen is coming from with this.
I recently read stumbled upon this article....
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-animals-fish-gene-limbs.html
Genetic instructions for developing limbs and digits were present in primitive fish millions of years before their descendants first crawled on to land, researchers have discovered.
Seems evolution is not so simple, changes in the Earths electric field may well be responsible for evolutionry leaps and extinctions. Rapid changes, if the enviromental change is rapid.
What buisness the genetic information being present for limbs millions of years before it emerged is anyones guess.
I think DNA is but the store of information and there is more in what is unseen.
post by tayga » Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:47 am
squiz wrote:
I recently read stumbled upon this article.... http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-animals-fish-gene-limbs.htmlGenetic instructions for developing limbs and digits were present in primitive fish millions of years before their descendants first crawled on to land, researchers have discovered.
What buisness the genetic information being present for limbs millions of years before it emerged is anyones guess.
I think DNA is but the store of information and there is more in what is unseen.
I think the author of the article was a bit irresponsible in his opening paragraph, which you quoted. In the third paragraph, he goes on to say:
The genetic switches that drive the expression of genes in the digits of mice are not only present in fish, but the fish sequence can actually activate the expression in mice," said Igor Schneider, PhD, postdoctoral researcher in the Department of Organismal Biology and Anatomy at the University of Chicago and lead author on the paper. "This tells us how the antecedents of the limb go back in time at every level, from fossils to genes.
In other words, the 'switch' has been controlling limb growth or its antecedents for 400 million years, not specifically limb growth. There is nothing controversial about the long term existence of a limb development system. The discovery is that its control mechanism has been conserved for a very long time.
That does not detract from your OP, however, which is very exciting. I share your opinion that this has something to do with morphic fields and I wonder how it relates to the genetic mechanism: fields really might control genetic expression.
post by moses » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:47 am
That does not detract from your OP, however, which is very exciting. I share your opinion that this has something to do with morphic fields and I wonder how it relates to the genetic mechanism: fields really might control genetic expression.
This really hit the nail on the head. How easy is it for chromatid to be pushed and shoved by electrical forces, and thus presenting particular genes to the surface where they can be easily expressed. And then we will be on the search for what changes the electric field and in particular the acupuncture meridians and kundalini.
post by squiz » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:41 pm
tayga wrote:In other words, the 'switch' has been controlling limb growth or its antecedents for 400 million years, not specifically limb growth. There is nothing controversial about the long term existence of a limb development system. The discovery is that its control mechanism has been conserved for a very long time.
Thanks for the clarification, it's not really an area I'm very knowledgable about. I did get the wrong impression from the article. However my overall point was changes in the electric field of earth being the switch for the genes, fairly vague I know. Perhaps species may have appeared relatively quickly as oppossed to long gradual changes.
It's a side thought, and I'd rather not distract from the original article either, fascinating stuff.
Here's a link to the paper. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dvdy.22685/suppinfo
post by Liam Scheff » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:34 pm
I've just done one radio show about this - (last 15 mins of show, and rest of shows this week): http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theintelhubnewsnetwork/2011/07/25/the-myths-of-science-with-liam-scheff and http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theintelhubnewsnetwork/2011/07/25/the-myths-of-science-with-liam-scheff.mp3 for download.
And will be joining Robert Scott Bell on NaturalNewsRadio.com tomorrow in the 2nd hour. http://www.naturalnewsradio.com/
http://www.naturalnewsradio.com/Archive-RobertScottBell.asp
Both are restreamed after initial airing.
I consider this a paradigm-cracking bit of information. One (predictable) hold-up: the Tufts researchers, missing the point, are already on to 'making new drugs', rather than seeing the EM forces at work in all of life, and in space, etc... they just want to sell more pills. Typical pharma-goons in the making; but what a discovery!
post by Sparky » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:55 am
Very interesting stuff....i just gave a biology undergrad this link... thanks
post by Julian Braggins » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:26 pm
It seems it has been a long time coming, that is research in the practical field, there were enough hints from Rupert Sheldrake and his morphic fields from ~30 years ago, and Kirlian photography over 40 years ago, both considered crackpottery by the mainstream. Deny, give it another name, look what we discovered.