FROM ROCK ART TO MYTHS
What Conditions Were Required?
3:53” Hindu God holding stacked toroids/plasma column and thunderbolt?
CONTENTS
WORLDWIDE CREATION MYTHS SIMILARITIES
DAVE TALBOTT’S LIST OF MYTH MOTIFS
FROM PERATT’S ROCK ART TO MYTHS
REQUIREMENTS FOR ANCIENT PLASMA APPARITIONS
WORLDWIDE CREATION MYTHS SIMILARITIES
I asked AI what similarities there are among ancient Creation myths and it came up with the following, which are close to what the Saturn Theorists discovered decades ago.
Ancient creation myths from various cultures around the world share several striking similarities:
Primordial chaos or void: Many myths describe the universe beginning from a state of chaos, often represented by primordial waters or a formless void1,7,9.
Creation from clay: Numerous cultures feature the creation of humans from clay or earth, including Mesopotamian, Greek, Hebrew, Hindu, and Chinese mythologies4,9.
Divine word or thought: Some myths, like the Biblical account, describe creation occurring through divine speech or thought1,7.
First human couple: Many traditions feature a primordial human couple as the progenitors of humanity, such as Adam and Eve, Ask and Embla, or Fuxi and Nüwa9.
Paradise or golden age: The concept of an initial paradise or ideal state is common in various creation stories4.
Cyclical themes: Some myths, including Genesis and others from the Near East, incorporate cyclical patterns in their creation narratives1.
Trickster or evil opponent: Many creation stories include a trickster character or an antagonistic force4.
Divine punishment: The theme of gods punishing their creations is prevalent in numerous myths4.
Ordering of chaos: Creation is often portrayed as the process of bringing order to a chaotic primordial state6.
Water as a primal substance: Many myths feature water as a fundamental element in the creation process1,6.
Cosmic egg: Some traditions describe the universe originating from a cosmic egg.
Separation of earth and sky: The division of the primordial unity into earth and sky is a common motif.
DAVE TALBOTT’S LIST OF MYTH MOTIFS
Then I asked how common Dave Talbott’s list of motifs are. It said they’re common, as follows.
The motifs Dave Talbott mentioned are indeed common in many ancient myths, though their prevalence varies. Here's an overview of how common each motif is:
Universal Monarch: This concept is widespread in many ancient cultures, often represented by a supreme deity or ruler1.
Queen of Heaven: This motif appears in various mythologies, including Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Greek traditions. It's often associated with goddesses like Inanna, Isis, and Hera5.
Warrior-Hero: This is an extremely common archetype found in myths worldwide, from Greek heroes like Hercules to Mesopotamian figures like Gilgamesh1,5.
Primeval Seven: While not as universal as some other motifs, this concept appears in several mythologies, often associated with creation or cosmic order5.
Chaos Monster: This is a nearly universal motif, appearing in various forms across many cultures. Examples include Tiamat in Mesopotamian myth, Apep in Egyptian mythology, and the concept of Jörmungandr in Norse mythology5.
Chaos Hordes: This concept is common in many mythologies, often represented as forces of disorder that the gods or heroes must battle. It's closely related to the Gigantomachy in Greek myth and similar conflicts in other traditions5.
Rejuvenated Creator-King: This motif is less universal but still appears in several mythologies, often tied to concepts of cyclical time or seasonal renewal5.
North Pole: This concept appears in several ancient mythologies, often associated with divine or mystical realms. In Greek mythology, Hyperborea was a mythical land located "beyond the North Wind," believed to be a paradise1. Ancient Egyptians viewed the northern circumpolar stars as symbols of immortality, calling them "imperishable stars"4. Some cultures associated the celestial north pole with the "throne of god"4.
Connection to Heaven: This is a widespread motif in many ancient belief systems. Mesopotamian cosmology divided heaven into three domes, with the highest dome being the home of the sky god An2. Ancient Egyptians believed in a connection between the earthly realm and the celestial sphere, as evidenced by their pyramid alignments4. The concept of ascension to heaven appears in various myths, such as the Mesopotamian story of Etana9.
Crescent: While not explicitly mentioned in the search results, the crescent shape is often associated with celestial bodies and divine symbols in many ancient cultures.
Sudden Bright Light in Heaven: This motif appears in several religious and mythological contexts. In the Biblical account, a sudden light from heaven is described in Acts 9:3, associated with divine revelation6. The concept of celestial light as a manifestation of divine presence or intervention is common in many ancient beliefs3. The concepts of paradise and a golden age are extremely common in ancient myths across various cultures:
Paradise: This concept appears frequently in ancient mythologies worldwide. The Garden of Eden in Biblical tradition is perhaps the most well-known example7. Greek mythology features paradisiacal realms like Elysium and the Isles of the Blessed. Many cultures have myths of a primordial paradise where humans lived in harmony with nature and the gods6.
Golden Age: This motif is particularly prevalent in Western mythologies but has parallels in other cultures as well. In Greek mythology, Hesiod's "Works and Days" describes a Golden Age as the first and best era of human existence1,5. Roman poet Ovid adapted the Greek concept, further popularizing it in Western tradition2. The idea of a "golden age" or perfect early period of human history is found in many agricultural civilizations3.
These concepts often overlap and share common features:
Abundance without labor: Both paradise and golden age myths frequently describe effortless abundance, with the earth producing food without human toil1,5,7.
Proximity to the divine: Humans often live alongside or in close communion with gods or divine beings1,5.
Peace and harmony: These mythical periods are characterized by the absence of conflict, both among humans and with nature5.
Moral and physical perfection: Humans are often depicted as morally upright and free from physical ailments or aging1,4.
The prevalence of these myths suggests a near-universal human tendency to imagine an idealized past. This concept is found across different cultures and time periods, indicating its deep resonance with human psychology and social structures3,8.
ROCK ART IMAGES
Then I asked for similarities between common ancient rock art images and art from ancient civilizations. I want to see if ancient civilizations remembered what ancient rock art showed.
Several images found in ancient rock art are also common in other forms of art from ancient civilizations:
Human figures often representing daily life, myths, or cultural traditions1,3.
Animals, including deer, horses, bison, and birds1,3.
Geometric patterns, such as spirals, zigzags, chevrons, and other geometric shapes2,6.
Handprints and hand stencils1.
Symbols and signs, including cup marks, vulvas, and footprints1.
Anthropomorphic figures, human-animal hybrids, or therianthropes, reflecting mythological or spiritual beliefs3.
Astronomical and celestial symbols, particularly geoglyphs, shows evidence of astronomical knowledge4.
Hunting scenes, often featuring humans with bows and other weapons3.
Abstract and geometric symbols, possibly representing early forms of communication or spiritual concepts2,6.
Representations of daily life, depicting everyday activities, rituals, or social structures7.
FROM ROCK ART TO MYTHS
Then I asked for specific connections between rock art and myths.
Some of the ancient rock art motifs may represent or relate to these mythical concepts:
Universal Monarch: A unique plaque found in Tissamaharama depicts a Universal Monarch (Cakravartin) with all seven treasures, including symbols of power and authority2.
Warrior-Hero: While not explicitly mentioned, the presence of hunting scenes and human figures in various rock art sites could potentially represent warrior or hero figures3,4.
Connection to heaven: Some rock art is interpreted as depicting shamans or ritual specialists engaging with spiritual dimensions, suggesting a connection between earthly and supernatural realms3,9,10.
Mythological creatures: Various sites feature depictions of mythological beings, which could potentially represent concepts like chaos monsters or divine entities3,7.
Paradise or golden age: While not directly stated, some rock art depicts idealized scenes or spiritual concepts that might relate to ideas of paradise4.
The search results don't provide direct evidence for most of the specific motifs you mentioned. Instead, they emphasize that rock art often represents complex spiritual and cosmological beliefs of the cultures that created them, rather than literal depictions of the physical world3,9,10.
PERATT’S ROCK ART
Then I asked which rock art types might show plasma figures.
According to Anthony Peratt's research, several common ancient rock art motifs may depict plasma phenomena:
Stick figure-like forms: Often interpreted as human figures, these may represent plasma instabilities observed in the sky1,2.
"Squatter Man" or "Squatting Man": A widespread petroglyph resembling a stick figure with bent legs, potentially depicting a specific stage of plasma discharge3.
"Tree of Life" patterns: These branching structures found in rock art worldwide may correspond to certain plasma formations3.
Geometric patterns: Spirals, concentric circles, and other abstract designs could represent various stages of plasma instabilities1.
Six-limbed figures: Some petroglyphs show creatures with multiple limbs, which Peratt suggests might depict complex plasma formations4.
Figures with round heads and bodies: These common petroglyphs may represent electrical discharges from high-energy plasma interactions with Earth's magnetosphere5.
Peratt's work suggests that these recurring patterns in rock art from different parts of the world are not coincidental but may record observations of large-scale plasma events visible in Earth's ancient skies7. He argues that the similarity between these rock art motifs and plasma discharge formations observed in laboratory experiments is too precise to be accidental2.
FROM PERATT’S ROCK ART TO MYTHS
Then I asked which rock art plasma figures might have led to mythic figures.
Some of the plasma phenomena depicted in ancient rock art could potentially represent or be associated with several of the mythological concepts you mentioned:
Warrior-Hero: The "stick figure-like forms" or humanoid figures with outstretched arms could be interpreted as warrior or hero figures4.
Chaos Monster or Chaos Hordes: The complex plasma formations might have been seen as monstrous or chaotic entities invading the sky3.
Connection to heaven: The plasma phenomena, visible in the sky, could have been interpreted as a connection between the earthly and celestial realms2.
Sudden bright light in heaven: The intense plasma discharges would have appeared as bright, dramatic lights in the sky1,4.
Queen of Heaven or Universal Monarch: The more complex plasma formations, especially those with circular or crown-like shapes, might have been interpreted as celestial royalty2.
North Pole: Some of the plasma formations may have been aligned with or appeared near the celestial north pole, potentially linking them to this concept1.
It's important to note that these interpretations are speculative, as the exact meanings of ancient rock art remain debated. The plasma phenomena theory suggests that these images were direct observations of celestial events, which were later incorporated into mythological and religious frameworks2,3.
REQUIREMENTS FOR ANCIENT PLASMA APPARITIONS
Then I asked what cosmic conditions would be required to produce the polar plasma apparitions.
To produce visible plasma instabilities at Earth's poles like those suggested by Peratt's ancient rock art hypothesis, Earth's electric field would need to be significantly stronger than its current state. While an exact value is not provided, we can infer that the required field strength would be orders of magnitude higher than Earth's present weak electric field. Considering that laboratory experiments with plasma discharges producing similar patterns involve high-energy conditions, and that the hypothesized ancient displays were much more intense than current auroral phenomena, the electric field strength required might be on the order of tens to hundreds of kilovolts per meter (kV/m). This estimate is based on the fact that some laboratory plasma experiments involve fields in this range, such as the 15 kV/m mentioned for generating plasma balls3.
It states that the field is currently only millivolts/m (mV/m), so to reach kV/m it would require millions of times more energy.
Generating a several or many kV/m electric field at Earth's poles would require extreme and highly speculative conditions. These could include intense solar activity with severe solar storms or coronal mass ejections2, significant alterations to Earth's core dynamics that drastically strengthen the geodynamo effect6, major changes in atmospheric composition, and large-scale cosmic events like nearby supernovae. Such conditions would likely involve catastrophic changes to Earth's environment, far exceeding the normal variations in Earth's magnetic field intensity1. The required electric field strength would be orders of magnitude stronger than Earth's current field, potentially leading to dramatic effects on the magnetosphere and near-Earth space environment2, and could even result in a geomagnetic polarity reversal if sustained for long enough4,7. Unusual alignments of planets or other celestial bodies might theoretically influence Earth's magnetic field through gravitational interactions.
A significantly altered atmospheric composition could potentially generate kV/m electric fields at Earth's poles by drastically changing ionization patterns. This would require a substantial increase in easily ionizable gases like atomic oxygen or nitrogen in the upper atmosphere1,2, coupled with a higher concentration of radioactive gases or aerosols capable of becoming charged3. An enhanced presence of ions and electrons, particularly H+ and He+ at higher altitudes1, could lead to stronger polarization fields.
For the heliospheric current sheet (HCS) to reach electric field strengths on the order of kilovolts per meter (kV/m), it would require an extraordinary and unprecedented increase in solar activity. This could involve: Extreme Solar Flares, or Intense Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs), or Enhanced Solar Magnetic Field, or Proximity to the Sun. The strongest Solar System Magnetic Fields are: Jupiter 4.28G (Gauss), Sun 1-2 G, Earth 0.31G, Saturn 0.22G, Uranus 0.23G, Neptune 0.13G.
ORBITING A FLARING DWARF STAR
Then I asked, what if Earth was orbiting a Red Dwarf star.
Red Dwarf stars have stellar winds1, that can be quite powerful, reaching speeds up to five times greater than the average speed of our Sun's solar wind1. The characteristics of red dwarf stellar winds include: Velocity - up to 5 million miles per hour (8 million kilometers per hour)1; Power - enough to strip away the atmospheres of orbiting planets, making them inhospitable for life1,2,3; Variability - proneness to more frequent and powerful stellar eruptions than our Sun, which can affect the habitability of nearby planets2; Long Lifespan - with prolonged effects on their planetary systems4. The strength and impact of stellar winds can vary among red dwarf stars, depending on factors such as the star's age, magnetic field strength, and rotation period1,2.
If Earth were orbiting a red or brown dwarf star undergoing severe flaring, the stellar wind from the star could be significantly stronger than what we experience from our Sun. Red dwarf stars, in particular, are known for their intense flaring activity, which can produce powerful stellar winds. The stellar wind from a flaring red dwarf star could reach speeds of several hundred to a few thousand kilometers per second (km/s) and have densities much higher than the solar wind1,2. This could result in electric fields on the order of kilovolts per meter (kV/m) or even higher, depending on the intensity of the flares and the star's magnetic field3.
We don’t think Earth was ORBITING a Red Dwarf. Instead, it was FOLLOWING one (some think a Brown Dwarf is a shrinking Red Dwarf), and Venus and Mars perhaps shielded Earth somewhat from its stellar wind. SATURN was possibly a Red/Brown Dwarf.
ROCKY PLANETS’ ATMOSPHERES
Above, it was stated that if Earth were near a flaring Red Dwarf star, its atmosphere would be eroded away. Since Venus and Mars were apparently between Saturn and Earth, and since Earth was farthest away, the erosion would have been less severe on Earth. But Venus has a thick atmosphere about 90 times denser than that of Earth and it was closest to Saturn. Ev Cochrane and Dave Talbott surmised that Venus had plasma streamers extending to Saturn. Was Venus receiving matter from Saturn or vice versa? If Venus lost atmosphere at that time, it must have had an even denser, thicker atmosphere prior to that. Charles Chandler and Jeffrey Wolinsky? concluded that gas giant planets become rocky planets, so Venus may have been a gas giant that transitioned. Mars, however, has a very thin atmosphere. But it likely had a thicker atmosphere previously and there’s increasing evidence that it had an Ocean. Ev said Mars was depicted for a time as turquoise, which may mean that the blueness was due to its ocean. Dave and Ev have concluded that Venus captured much of Mars’ atmosphere and possibly its ocean. If Venus received some of Mars’ atmosphere, much of it, along with its ocean, might have been blown away in Saturn’s stellar wind. Earth seems to have lost a lot of atmosphere as well. And maybe the Mars rocks found on Earth arrived when Saturn’s stellar wind was active.
SQUATTERMAN TRADITION
The squatterman images above are from the book, “Simply Scratching the Surface: Petroglyph Chronology in the Colorado Desert”, which was apparently published no earlier than 2018. The Colorado Desert is said to be in California. The book states that these images date to after 500 AD. If they’re not misdated, then there must have been a squatterman tradition in North America.
Well, the Dogons of west Africa appear to have a similar tradition, as some of them wear a squatterman image on their heads during ceremonies, as seen in the above images from an online video about the Dogons.
So, was the squatterman also incorporated into any ancient myths, as discussed above?I asked AI what the Dogons say about their squatterman image. It replied.
The Dogon people wear tall masks during ceremonies, but their interpretation differs from Anthony Peratt's "squatterman" theory. The Dogon mask, called kanaga, is primarily used in dama, a funerary rite for Dogon men4.
The kanaga mask features a rectangular box for the face with a superstructure resembling a double-barred cross. This design has two interpretations within Dogon culture:
A literal representation of a bird4.
A symbol of the creative force of god and the arrangement of the universe, with the upper crossbar representing the sky and the lower one the earth4.
The mask is worn during ceremonies to ensure safe passage of the deceased's spirits to the ancestral world and to mark the end of the mourning period4,8.
Reminds me of the ancient Egyptians’ funerary rights a little. I bet they’re related.