CIVILIZATIONS COPIED THE GODS
Ancient Civilizations I Mean
CONTENTS
EARLY CIVILIZATIONS REVERED THE PAST
THE GODS INSPIRED HUMANS TO BATTLE
EARLY CIVILIZATIONS REVERED THE PAST
In Thoth Vol I, No. 4: March 2, 1997 at https://saturniancosmology.org/othergroup/thoth/thoth04.txt, SATURN THEORY, OVERVIEW (3) By David Talbott, Dave said: “Before the Egyptians, Sumerians, Hindus, or Greeks ever raised a temple, they would consciously and deliberately look backwards to a remembered event.”
{Perplexity.ai elaborates.} Ancient architectural symbolism and ritual practices suggest that many temples and sacred structures were deeply rooted in mythological, cosmological, or historical narratives that may align with the idea of "looking backward" to a remembered event. Here are some examples:
1. Symbolism of Eden in Ancient Temples
The Israelite temple, particularly Solomon's Temple, was designed to evoke the Garden of Eden. Features such as tree-like pillars, cherubim, and depictions of animals symbolized a return to humanity's primordial state in Eden. This suggests a deliberate attempt to recreate or memorialize a sacred origin story through architecture and design1.
2. Göbekli Tepe and Collective Memory
Göbekli Tepe, one of the earliest known temples (c. 9600 BCE), demonstrates symbolic elements like T-shaped pillars representing anthropomorphic beings and circular arrangements that may reflect cosmological or ritual significance. Scholars propose that its construction was motivated by shared ideological factors, possibly tied to collective memory or reverence for supernatural entities3,6.
3. Egyptian Temples and Creation Myths
Egyptian temples often symbolized the "mound of creation," the first land to emerge from primordial waters according to Egyptian mythology. Architectural features, such as hypostyle halls with columns resembling papyrus plants, recreated this mythological landscape. Rituals performed within these temples reinforced connections to ancient cosmological events8,13.
4. Greek and Roman Temples
Greek temples were oriented eastward to align with the rising sun, reflecting cosmic cycles and divine order. The placement of altars and cult statues within these temples often symbolized divine encounters or mythological events central to the culture's religious identity2.
5. Ritual Feasts and Memorialization
At Göbekli Tepe, ritual feasts held during its multigenerational construction may have served as communal acts of remembrance, celebrating milestones or honoring deities associated with creation or death. These practices suggest a link between architecture, ritual, and collective memory6,12.
6. Covenants and Sacred Symbols
Ancient temple rituals often included symbolic acts to memorialize covenants or divine interactions. For example, Egyptian purification rites used water as a symbol of removing impurities, while incense offerings created an atmosphere of sanctity tied to mythological purity4,5,13.
These examples indicate that ancient temple-building was often infused with symbolic references to foundational myths, cosmological events, or collective memories that shaped cultural identities. While not always explicitly tied to a single "remembered event," these practices reflect a broader tendency to anchor sacred architecture in the past's spiritual or mythic significance.
RE-ENACTMENT CEREMONIES
Dave continued, saying: “The foundation ceremonies would *reenact* an archetypal occasion in the lives of the gods--the construction of a vast dwelling in primeval times, a ‘temple’ brought forth by the Universal Monarch, a temple ‘floating on the clouds.’”
{Perplexity.ai adds.} Evidence of this can be found in various ancient practices and architectural symbolism. Here are some key points:
1. Foundation Rituals in Ancient Egypt
Symbolic Acts: Egyptian foundation rituals involved several stages that symbolically reenacted the creation of a temple. For instance, the pharaoh would perform acts such as "stretching the cord" to mark the boundaries of the temple site and "hoe the earth," which represented cutting through to the primordial waters of Nun, symbolizing creation and divine order1,4,7. These rituals were believed to invoke the protection of gods and connect the physical act of building with divine origins.
2. Angkor Wat and Hindu Cosmology
Representation of Mount Meru: Angkor Wat was designed to represent Mount Meru, the center of the universe in Hindu cosmology, symbolizing a cosmic axis connecting heaven and earth. The five towers of Angkor Wat correspond to the peaks of this mythical mountain, reinforcing the idea of a temple as a divine dwelling place brought into existence by a god-king6,9,11. The construction itself was seen as a reenactment of cosmic creation.
3. Greek Temples and Mythological References
Architectural Symbolism: Greek temples often included elements that referenced mythological narratives. For example, many temples were oriented to align with celestial events, reflecting a connection to divine order and archetypal stories, such as those involving gods like Zeus or Athena, who were believed to have influenced their construction2. The act of building these structures was imbued with cultural memories that echoed past divine actions.
4. Rituals at Edfu Temple
Consecration Ceremony: The Temple of Horus at Edfu featured a consecration ceremony called “Handing over the House to its Lord,” which involved rituals that symbolically animated the temple. This included acts like “Opening of the Mouth,” which was believed to bring life to the temple and its deities, thus connecting the physical structure with divine presence and mythic history10.
5. Mythological Motifs in Indian Architecture
Cultural Narratives: Indian temple architecture incorporates various mythological motifs that narrate stories from Hindu epics. The precise layout and design often reflect cosmological beliefs and significant mythological events, reinforcing the idea that these structures serve as physical manifestations of divine narratives5.
Conclusion
These examples illustrate how foundation ceremonies and architectural symbolism across different ancient cultures often reenacted archetypal events associated with gods or cosmic creation. By linking temple construction to these foundational myths, ancient civilizations sought to create sacred spaces that embodied their religious beliefs and cultural identities.
THE GODS INSPIRED HUMANS TO BATTLE
{Dave:} Similarly, when the warrior-kings of Egypt and Assyria and numerous other lands launched their campaigns against neighboring peoples, they summoned memories of cosmic catastrophe, when the gods themselves battled in the heavens.
{Perplexity.ai:} {This} is supported by symbolic and ritualistic practices tied to their military ideologies and religious beliefs. Here are some examples:
1. Assyrian Kings and Divine Mandates
Assyrian kings often framed their military campaigns as extensions of divine will. For instance, Esarhaddon performed rituals before his campaign against Egypt, including the "substitute king" ritual, to protect himself from omens of danger. He also received a prophecy from the god Sin, proclaiming that he would "conquer the world," which aligned his campaign with divine cosmic authority1,4.
Ashurbanipal's inscriptions frequently invoked the gods Ashur and Ishtar as active participants in his conquests. His victories were depicted as divinely sanctioned acts, often described in terms of overwhelming destruction reminiscent of mythological battles1,3.
2. Egyptian Warrior-Pharaohs and Mythological Parallels
Egyptian pharaohs, such as Ramesses II at the Battle of Kadesh, portrayed themselves as embodiments of gods like Horus or Amun-Ra. Their military exploits were often linked to mythological narratives of divine battles, such as Ra's victory over chaos (embodied by Apophis). These parallels reinforced the idea that their campaigns mirrored cosmic struggles for order against chaos.
3. Cosmic Symbolism in Assyrian Warfare
Assyrian kings frequently described their enemies in terms that evoked chaos and disorder, likening their conquests to restoring divine order, a theme central to Mesopotamian cosmology. For example, Ashurnasirpal II boasted about annihilating cities and impaling rebels, actions that symbolized the subjugation of chaos under the divine rule of Ashur3,6.
The use of celestial imagery in Assyrian inscriptions also ties into this theme. Kings would often claim to act under the guidance or command of celestial deities, linking their earthly battles to cosmic events3.
4. Mythological Narratives and Rituals
The Assyrians and Egyptians both incorporated rituals before and after battles that reenacted mythological themes. For example:
Esarhaddon erected a temple at Harran where he enthroned Sin on a column before his campaign against Egypt, symbolizing divine endorsement1.
Egyptian rituals often involved invoking deities like Amun-Ra to bless military endeavors, portraying these actions as continuations of mythic victories over chaos.
Conclusion
While there is no explicit evidence tying these campaigns directly to specific "cosmic catastrophes," the symbolic language used by kings like Esarhaddon, Ashurbanipal, and Egyptian pharaohs reflects a worldview where military conquests were seen as reenactments of divine struggles for cosmic order. These narratives drew heavily from mythological archetypes of gods battling chaos or rival deities in primordial times.
FOREIGN ARMIES = CHAOS HORDES
Dave said: Symbolically, foreign armies meant "the fiends of darkness," and were to be dealt with accordingly. The warrior-kings saw themselves defeating neighboring forces in the same way that, in primeval times, the great gods devastated and controlled the Chaos Hordes, when these dark powers overwhelmed the cosmic order.
{Perplexity.ai:} {This} can be supported by various pieces of evidence from ancient warfare, mythological narratives, and cultural practices. Here are some relevant points:
1. Mythological Frameworks
Many ancient cultures, including the Greeks and Egyptians, framed their military conflicts within a mythological context. For instance, the Greeks often viewed their wars as part of a larger cosmic struggle between order and chaos. The gods were seen as directly influencing battles, with victories attributed to divine favor over chaotic forces. This perspective aligns with the idea that foreign armies represented dark, chaotic forces that needed to be subdued.
2. Rituals Before Battle
Ancient Greek warfare involved significant religious rituals before engaging in battle, such as consulting oracles and making sacrifices to the gods. These practices underscored the belief that military success was linked to divine approval and that enemies were often viewed as embodiments of chaos or evil. For example, the consultation of oracles like Delphi would often precede military campaigns, reinforcing the notion that battles were not just physical confrontations but also moral and spiritual ones2.
3. Symbolism in Warfare
In ancient Egyptian warfare, foreign enemies were often depicted as chaotic entities in temple reliefs and inscriptions. For instance, Ramses III's battles against the Sea Peoples were portrayed not only as military encounters but also as cosmic struggles where the pharaoh acted as a divine protector of Ma'at (cosmic order) against these chaotic invaders4. Such representations reinforced the idea that defeating foreign armies was akin to restoring order against dark forces.
4. Heroic Narratives
The narratives surrounding warrior-kings often included elements of heroism against overwhelming odds, paralleling myths where gods battled chaos. For instance, in Homeric epics, heroes like Achilles are depicted as fighting not just for personal glory but also for the preservation of societal order against chaotic forces represented by their enemies1,2. This narrative framework illustrates how military leaders viewed their roles in a cosmic context.
5. Cultural Perceptions of Enemies
Throughout history, enemies were frequently described using terms associated with darkness or chaos. This is evident in various cultures where invaders or rival tribes were depicted as barbaric or evil—terms that align with the notion of "fiends of darkness." Such depictions served to justify warfare and rally troops by framing conflicts in moral terms5.
Conclusion
The evidence from ancient texts, rituals, and artistic representations supports the claim that foreign armies were symbolically viewed as chaotic forces to be defeated by warrior-kings in a manner reminiscent of divine battles against primordial chaos. This worldview helped legitimize military actions and framed them within a broader cosmic struggle for order and stability.
ANCIENT TIMELINE
In my post on E.C.’s Mars-Venus Events I mentioned what I think is Ev Cochrane's Saturn Theory timeline:
E1. ICE AGE -
E2. GOLDEN AGE -
E3. CHAOS/DARKNESS/ DOOMSDAY -
E4. MARS & VENUS RECESSION -
E5. END OF SATURN CONFIGURATION (by 2,400BC) -
E6. DAWN OF CIVILIZATION.
This present paper is about events after E6 as civilization looks back on E2, E3 & E4. The “Creation” event is an important part of Ev’s timeline. I think it belongs between E3 & E4. On the Thunderbolts Forum, Ev said:
“Much remains to be established, not the least of which is how the planets could have participated in a polar configuration in the first place. But we can be very confident that they did, well within the memory of homo sapiens (likely between 6000-4000 BCE). Rather than growing smaller, the planets actually appeared to grow larger because of the plasma effects affecting them. Venus, for example, was likely originally seen as a simple orb or round globe while it was located in the center of the so-called Ra-sign. When it flared up and assumed the form of a 8-rayed star or 8-petaled flower, it literally spanned heaven (the Sumerian planet-goddess Inanna is actually said to have spanned heaven in the ancient texts). Mars, as Dave and I have documented at great length, alternately appeared as a dwarf or infant at the breast of Venus and as a towering planet while moving closer to the Earth (Mars is known as the "swelling" planet around the globe).”
From this, I think Ev considers the 6000 to 4000 BC period to be the time of E2, the Golden Age. I gather that he thinks E3 (Chaos & Darkness) only lasted some months or years and E5 (Saturn System breakup) occurred before 2400 BC.
TIMELINE SUMMARY COMPARISON
I believe E1 Ice Age & E2 Golden Age occurred simultaneously after the Great Flood, from 3200 BC to 2500 BC, then E3 Chaos occurred c. 2500 BC with the Younger Dryas Impacts. E4 Creation & Flareup occurred & the Polar Configuration lasted a few years or decades & E5 the Breakup occurred before 2400 BC, like Ev probably believes. It’s pretty likely that Civilization began shortly after that, but Peter James et al made a good case that Egyptian chronology needs to be reduced by c. 250 years, so it may have started between 2300 & 2100 BC. In the following E = Ev Cochrane; L= Len K.
E1. ICE AGE ——————————————— 9,000 BC (end)
L1. ICE AGE ————— 3,000-2,500BC (high latitudes)
E2. GOLDEN AGE ———————————— 6,000-4,000BC
L2. GOLDEN AGE —— 3,000-2,500BC (low latitudes)
E3. CHAOS/DARKNESS/ DOOMSDAY ——— 4,000BC
L3. ... DOOMSDAY —— 2,500BC
E4. MARS & VENUS RECESSION ————— 4,000-3000BC?
L4. ... RECESSION —— 2,400-2,300BC
E5. END OF SATURN CONFIGURATION — (3,000BC?)
L5. ... BREAKUP ——— 2,300BC
E6. DAWN OF CIVILIZATION —————— 2,600BC?
L6. … CIVILIZATION — 2,300-2,100BC (/Peter James?)