10/20/24: NEW TIMEFRAME FOR THE SATURN CONFIGURATION

From Post-Flood Ice Age to Younger Dryas Aftermath

…………………………………………………………….…… (Cro-Magnon Art)

NON-SATURNIST CRO-MAGNON ART

The following may help pinpoint when the polar Saturn Configuration became visible and when the 3 planets departed from Earth’s vicinity.

In FLARE STAR, p 195, Cardona said: While the later Neolithic art, out of the Ice age, proliferated with unmistakable astronomical objects, there is nothing that is even faintly recognizable as anything cosmological in all of bona fide Cro-Magnon art that has so far come to light. There are no depictions of crescent moons or radiating suns - not even the Saturnian sun with which this work is concerned. And why should there have been? Of Sun and Moon there were none. The Saturnian sun, on the other hand, was paid absolutely no attention for the simple reason it had always just hung there, neither rising nor setting, immobile in the north of heaven, doing absolutely nothing. Being born, and living their entire life, beneath its immutability, the CroMagnons and Neanderthals would have taken it for granted just as they did the ground beneath their feet.

So when was the Ice Age?

ICE AGE

Michael Oard showed that the Ice Age occurred over about a 700 year period after the Great Flood. The Septuagint Bible indicates that the Flood occurred about 3,200 BC. Nearly all traces of life and artifacts from before the Flood were surely wiped out by the Flood, considering that there were no mountains or high elevations before the Flood, so it would have been easy for large tsunamis to overwhelm and submerge everything on land. The rising Flood waters then buried all of the land under a mile or more of sediments, but the receding Flood waters then removed 30% or so of the same sediments onto the continental shelves (after Pangaea broke up).

When did Cro-Magnons & other human species die out?

MAINSTREAM DATING OF ANCIENT HUMANS

Quoting Perplexity.ai.
Cro-Magnon (45,000 to 10,000 BP) remains have been found at several locations across Europe, with the most notable discoveries including:
_Les Eyzies, France: The original Cro-Magnon rock shelter, located in the Dordogne region of southwestern France, is where the first Cro-Magnon remains were discovered in 186812. This site yielded partial skeletons of four adults and one infant, along with tools and ornaments1.
_Abri Pataud, France: Located near Les Eyzies, this site has provided numerous Cro-Magnon artifacts and some skeletal remains dating back to around 35,000 years ago.
_Peștera cu Oase, Romania: This cave in southwestern Romania yielded some of the oldest modern human remains in Europe, dated to approximately 40,000 years ago.
_Mladeč Caves, Czech Republic: These caves contained early modern human remains, including skulls that show similarities to the Cro-Magnon 2 specimen from France1.
_Grotta del Cavallo, Italy: This site in southern Italy provided some of the earliest evidence of Cro-Magnon presence in Europe, with remains dated to around 45,000 years ago.
_Other Notable Locations: Various sites in France: Including La Ferrassie, Lascaux, and Chauvet Cave, which while not necessarily yielding Cro-Magnon remains, have provided significant evidence of their culture and art.
_Iberian Peninsula: Several sites in Spain and Portugal have yielded Cro-Magnon artifacts and occasional skeletal remains.
_Eastern Europe: Sites in countries like Hungary and Bulgaria have also provided evidence of early modern human presence, though not always specifically labeled as Cro-Magnon.
_Note that the term "Cro-Magnon" is now generally used to refer to early modern humans in Europe, rather than a specific subspecies2. As such, many early modern human remains found across Europe from the Upper Paleolithic period (roughly 40,000 to 10,000 years ago) could be considered part of the Cro-Magnon population.

Neanderthal (400,000 to 40,000 BP) remains and artifacts have been discovered at numerous sites across Europe and parts of Asia. Some of the key locations include:
_Europe: France: Vaucluse; Bau de l'Aubesier; Biache-Saint-Vaast; Bruniquel Cave; Châtelperron; La Chapelle-aux-Saints; La Ferrassie; Le Moustier; Saint-Césaire
_Germany: Neanderthal, 1 in the Neander Valley (the original discovery site); Ehringsdorf; Salzgitter-Lebenstedt
_Spain: Atapuerca Mountains; Sidrón Cave (Asturias); El Salt (Valencian Community); Zafarraya (Granada); Gibraltar; Gorham's Cave (one of the last known Neanderthal occupation sites)
_United Kingdom: Creswell Crags (England); La Cotte de St Brelade (Jersey, Channel Islands)
_Asia: Israel: Several sites (not specified in the search results)
_Uzbekistan: Sites present (not specified in the search results)
_Note that Neanderthal remains and artifacts have been found at many more locations across Europe and parts of Asia than those listed here. The search results provided a limited selection of sites, focusing primarily on some of the more well-known or significant locations. Neanderthal discoveries span a wide geographic range, from Western Europe to the Middle East and parts of Central Asia.

The locations of some other human species:
_Homo erectus (#4: 2,000,000 to 110,000 BP) remains have been discovered in multiple locations: East Africa; Indonesia; China; Georgia
_Homo heidelbergensis (#6: 600,000 to 200,000 BP) remains have been found in various parts of Europe and Africa.
_Denisovans (#8) are primarily known from remains found in Denisova Cave in Siberia, Russia.
_Homo floresiensis (#9: 100,000 to 50,000 BP) remains were discovered on the island of Flores in Indonesia.
_Homo sapiens (#10: 300,000 BP to present) remains have been found across the globe, with some of the oldest discovered in Africa.

When was the Pleistocene?

REDATING

Perplexity.ai tells me that the above human remains are found in Pleistocene strata.
It says: Pleistocene strata thickness varies considerably across different locations, but there are some areas where these deposits are notably thick:
_Glacial Deposits: Pleistocene deposits are particularly thick in areas that were heavily glaciated during the ice ages:
_Filled Valleys: The thickest Pleistocene deposits are often found where major pre-existing valleys were filled with glacial sediments. In some cases, these filled valleys can contain Pleistocene deposits up to 600 feet (approximately 183 meters) thick.
_Moraines: Areas where glacier fronts remained stationary for extended periods, building up thick ridges of glacial debris called moraines, also feature substantial Pleistocene deposits.
_Regional Variations: Some specific regions with thick Pleistocene deposits include:
__Illinois: In parts of Illinois, Pleistocene deposits can reach thicknesses of approximately 600 feet (183 meters), especially where glacial moraines cross filled valleys.
__Coastal Areas: Pleistocene marine deposits are often found in shallow marine basins, typically within a few tens of kilometers of modern shorelines. In geologically active areas like the Southern California coast, these deposits can be found at elevations of several hundred meters.
_Loess Deposits
__Wind-blown silt deposits called loess, which are characteristic of the Pleistocene, can also be quite thick in certain areas:
__Valley Margins: Loess deposits are thickest along the margins of major valleys, where they can reach up to 100 feet (30.5 meters) in thickness. These deposits thin rapidly away from the valleys, sometimes decreasing to less than 20 feet (6 meters) thick within 10 miles (16 kilometers).
_It's important to note that Pleistocene deposit thickness can vary sharply over relatively small areas due to the complex nature of glacial, fluvial, and aeolian deposition processes during this epoch.

Glacial means during the Ice Age. Fluvial means flood deposits, as the Younger Dryas catastrophe involved glacial meltwater flooding. Aeolian means wind-blown deposits. The Younger Dryas involved strong winds due to extreme cold at the poles and warmth in the tropics. That means the Pleistocene sediments were deposited during and at the end of the Ice Age, after the Great Flood, and ended c. 2,500 BC. So all of the above human or hominin remains need to be redated to between 3,200 BC and 2,500 BC.

Are there reliable human records?

…………………………………………………………. (Genesis Toledoths)

SCHOLARS SAY MOSES COPIED GENESIS

Some Saturnists think Moses was a mythological figure, but again it's possible that there was an Earthly Moses and a celestial apparition, probably Mars. If other scholars are right that Moses was also a real person and that he copied the family histories written down by the ancients, then we may have to sort out what were Moses’ feats and what were Mars’.
Here I wrote about Toledoths: https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=17502&start=120#p129582
I quoted from an SIS article that said toledoths came at the end of Genesis family histories. But in this new article, Genesis — its author and its structure https://creation.com/genesis-its-author-and-its-structure it says toledoths came at the beginning of each family history. What's mainly of interest is that several of the ancients apparently recorded their family histories, which Moses later had access to and included in the Book of Genesis. Following are the apparent authors of each toledoth.
Heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:4) {author unknown}
Adam (Genesis 5:1)
Noah (Genesis 6:9)
Sons of Noah (Genesis 10:1)
Shem (Genesis 11:10)
Terah (Genesis 11:27)
Ishmael (Genesis 25:12)
Isaac (Genesis 25:19)
Esau (Genesis 36:1)
Esau (repeated in Genesis 36:9)
Jacob (Genesis 37:2)
Saturnist mythology suggests that Adam and Eve were actually the planets Mars and Venus. There may nonetheless have been actual humans who had similar roles as founders of the human race, or a branch of it. What interests me is that it seems reasonable that the ancients could have passed down their family histories and Moses could then have copied them into Genesis.

So when was the Saturn Configuration first recorded and when did it end?

……………………………………………………………. (Primeval Hill)

DURATION OF THE SATURN CONFIGURATION

So, if the Cro-Magnons did not draw images of the Saturn Configuration during their time in the Ice Age, before the Younger Dryas catastrophe, this suggests that the Creation event was the Younger Dryas catastrophe. Ev said Venus and Mars were visible before the Creation event, but there was a period of darkness, apparently for months to years, then Creation. The Golden Age occurred at lower latitudes at the same time that the Ice Age occurred at higher latitudes. Ev Cochrane said the first images of the Saturn Configuration appeared in pre-dynastic Egypt. If the first dynasty started at c. 2,400 BC, the pre-dynastic period would have been c. 2,500 to 2,400 BC. Pyramids were built all around the world, and Ev said they were imitations of the Primeval Hill. In a recent interview question for Ev at https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=10906#p10867 I quoted from his article, The Primeval Hill: "A hill known as the Holy Mound, then, was the birthplace of the Anuna, and the other gods, at the time before sky and earth were separated. They lived up on it, and mankind lived down below." Ev said the Primeval Hill existed before the Creation event and the polar column came after the Creation event. He also said the Saturn Configuration was gone before the time of the first dynasty. So that would be about the same period from 2,500 to 2,400 BC. So it seems that the Saturn Configuration was likely only prominent from about c. 2,800 to 2,400 BC. The Cro-Magnons were mostly in Europe, so maybe the weather there didn't allow the Saturn Configuration to be visible there for much of that time.